➤ I think that is hard to imagine, to imagine a complete utopia. I mean, in a utopia... I'm convinced in any case that there is no such thing as the utopia, it is impossible to achieve, because then it would no longer be a utopia. On the other hand, it can be a source of renewal, of new ideas, a different way of thinking about things, the world we live in.

➤ It doesn't need to be realistic, right?

➤ Or... What would a paradisal world look like, or simply... what would a...

➤ Most utopias ended up turning into dystopias.

➤ What stops you from asking that question?