➤ More "us" and "we" than "I" and "me". I think society should become a bit more about coexisting again, living together. And coexisting doesn't mean we should be breathing down each other's necks, or we should control one another, not at all, but, yes, trying together...

➤ Trying to find a way to make the decisions together, to share together...

➤ It'll always have to be a compromise between different opinions and sensitivities and whatnot, and...

➤ Each their own little corner, no, we simply figure out how we can work together, and how can we share while everyone has a completely different contribution.

➤ Something that worries me in a lot of utopias, that there's such a focus on "together, together, together", but that's an introvert's nightmare.
➤ No, but I think it's interesting you say that, because I recently interviewed someone, Maggie Nelson, I don't know if anyone knows her, and she also said, you have these utopias that are about doing everything collectively, and she said, our current societal structure, where everyone fends for themselves and old people have to go to nursing homes and no one really takes care of each other, that's actually a crazy thing, but on the other hand, people in the queer community say: "Leave your parents, leave the village for the big city to start a new life", so in fact this idea of being together, and of collectivity, also has many complexities from which you can't escape, because also... "together", that's all sweet and fun, but, I mean, in everyone there's also something insufferable and intolerant, and you can't just efface that. So, yes, that's the thing about this kind of utopia, you're not always in a good mood, or you don't always want to be close to people. Sometimes you just want to push them away. The hippie cliché of "we all have to be together cheerfully and joyfully"...
➤ ... also has its dark side.
➤ Yes! It also has its dark side.

➤ When I think about this togetherness, then... I automatically imagine that it's surrounded by a forest, or by nature. And that maybe that could be that silence.